Niv Dror8 Was so glad to see this post pop up in my Medium feed by @ntmoney "Earn Anywhere with the 21 App" https://thecontrol.co/earn-anywhere-with-the-21-app-5730b48a53cc#.uoxrmhoyd
Niv Dror29 Everyone should sign up to the new 21 app because free bitcoin https://i.imgur.com/cElA27t.png
Mohit6 @nivo0o0 Thats not free bitcoint. That is dollar? Or I am missing something?
billy smartt1 @mohitify @nivo0o0 the only way to cash out is BTC. This seems like a wise decision, given how many PH comment threads start with "This isn't available in my country (or currency)".
Nick Abouzeid25 And... if you want to do a good thing today, you can donate the approx $1.75-ish in btc that you'll receive for completing a 4-question survey to a nonprofit!
Balaji S. Srinivasan15 @nickabouzeid Yup! Right now we support Black Girls Code and Folding@Home, but we'll be adding more over time. If you have ideas on what we should add, we set up a quick form at <a href="http://nonprofits.21.co">nonprofits.21.co</a> that you can fill out.
Ethan Kravitz0 @balajis @nickabouzeid sidenote is there a db/api for pulling a list of vetted non-profits that users could select for donations. Is the list at something like Amazon Smile built in house?
Chad Whitaker13 I would prefer to verify my identity using AngelList - I don't have a LinkedIn account 😆
Nikolas Huebecker2 @chadwhitaker I don't have one either and can't figure out another way to be verified.
Chad Whitaker1 @nhuebecker It looks like we'll have to create a LinkedIn account 😣
Nikolas Huebecker3 @chadwhitaker I did but you need 50 connections in LinkedIn for it to work
Balaji S. Srinivasan9 @chadwhitaker AngelList support is coming!
Balaji S. Srinivasan5 @nhuebecker @chadwhitaker Right now, you can email email@example.com and we'll take care of you. As context, we've had a crush of signups recently and are working hard on streamlining the process. Starting next week, verification will be integrated with signup on both web & mobile, and we will give you a timeline on how long verification will take (it should be quick once that's up and running).
noah rosenberg5 @chadwhitaker This wins for the most "valley in-culture" response to one of the most "valley in-culture" product I have ever seen on here :) how many people suffer from the terrible problem of getting too many emails asking for their advice? And who outside of product culture even has an angellist account?
Balaji S. Srinivasan14 @nrose @chadwhitaker > how many people suffer from the terrible problem of getting too many emails asking for their advice? Really good question. Short version is that LinkedIn InMail is reported to be a $300M/year business, so paid emails from outside your network are more in demand than one might think. Longer version is that it's not just about asking for advice -- it's about inbound fundraising pitches, sales emails, and recruiting emails. Longest version is that we have some tools coming which will allow even people who aren't super famous to get nontrivial inbound traffic. Stay tuned!
Chad Whitaker2 @balajis Beautiful! It appears my account was verified since signing up last week. I love the work 21.co is doing with Bitcoin to solve interesting problems and to ultimately make Bitcoin useful outside of just value store. Props to the 21 team 🙌
noah rosenberg3 @balajis @chadwhitaker sounds awesome! Thanks for the thoughtful reply!
Jim Canto4 @nrose @chadwhitaker I don't currently have a "maker" mark here on ProductHunt, but I absolutely have an AngelList account. I've also been approached there (on AngelList) by numerous folks in real estate, and others outside of "product" culture. I don't have lots of people currently emailing me asking for my advice. However, I can easily see how I could market myself (my experience) in a manner where this type of gateway could easily be positioned as a first-tier, income generating gateway in advance of full consultative engagement (to name just one possibility.) I am in the Kansas City area... a looooong way from the "valley." Just giving you a look through the eyes of someone not in the Valley. Hope that's valuable for you in some way.
Antonio Bustamante6 I think that's pretty cool, but I'm a bit confused. It's not very clear what kind of tasks the user has to do. The page linked from this thread doesn't explain examples, and digging in, the only example I can find is a answering a survey question and responding to recruiting emails. Is it like Spare5, where they're essentially paying people to feed data to their ML dataset, or is it customer research surveys, or something else?
Balaji S. Srinivasan5 @antonio_bustamante Great feedback. See this <a href="https://www.producthunt.com/posts/21-app#comment-426361">comment here</a> for more detail. The quick answer is that the primary task type you will get over the next few weeks is of the form: "answer this message from someone outside my network and earn $20". You can solicit those reply-to-earn tasks by posting on Twitter, like <a href="https://twitter.com/bhorowitz/status/823916415044304896">Ben Horowitz</a> and <a href="https://twitter.com/muneeb/status/829095211884220416">Muneeb Ali</a> did. But we also have support for surveys and several other kinds of tasks, a few of which you can see in the introductory tutorial. The relationship between "pay N strangers to complete a survey" and "pay one stranger to answer a message" is that you might want to run a survey first, and then send messages to a subset of people as determined by their answers to the survey. For example, send out a survey asking whether 1000 people you don't know are both (a) fintech angel investors and (b) interested in your company. For the 14 that reply yes, send individualized messages to them to follow up.
Abhilash Jain5 Also use this to connect instead of LinkedIn Inmail's :) Go here for a quick snapshot of what your personal inbox would look like: www.21.co/abhilashjain Great, I'm sure most of the people would find immense value with this. Bitcoin all the way. Thanks for making @balajis Also when is the Android version coming out?
Balaji S. Srinivasan4 @findabhilash The Android app is coming. You can use web and mobile web for now :) If you want to be notified when the Android app comes out, go to our <a href="https://21.co">homepage</a>, click the Google Play button, and enter your email when the modal pops up.
Vasily Kuznetsov16 I have completed all the initial tasks but now can't cashout bitcoins. It just gives me a "failed" error message. Also, I wonder where does all of that money come from...
Balaji S. Srinivasan7 @vasily_kuznetsov Hi Vasily, if you have an issue can you send a screenshot to firstname.lastname@example.org? It may be that you haven't gotten verified yet.
Xavier Lambrix1 Hm, still not receiving the initial sms verification code after more than an hour and several retries. Any other method available? There is no 'sms not working' link, nor a 'call me' link or anything like that. I don't use Auth as indicated in the troubleshooting. So I'm stuck on this it seems... Anyone any idea?
Balaji S. Srinivasan1 @xavier0912 Can you email email@example.com and link to this comment and we'll fix it? Might be a country issue. We will help out!
Nitin Muthyala6 Lol what a waste of time. It's probably fake guys. Keeps saying failed to cash out.
Nick Abouzeid12 @nitin_muthyala This is the latest offering from 21.co, one of the oldest bitcoin companies in the space who has raised $121MM from a16z, Qualcomm, and Peter Thiel. I highly doubt this is "fake." Probably some sort of bug, reach out and they should fix it for you instead of complaining online.
Balaji S. Srinivasan7 @nitin_muthyala Hi Nitin, you may not be able to cash out till you get verified. This prevents people from setting up many fake accounts and just trying to cash out. You can email firstname.lastname@example.org and we'll help you. As per this <a href="https://www.producthunt.com/posts/21-app#comment-426377">comment</a>, we're working on streamlining and partially automating the verification process and should have something by next week.
Chris Schwartze1 @nitin_muthyala Where is the downvote button ⬇
Nitin Muthyala0 I was wrong that its a fake. It indeed worked. I guess the problem was the app UI/UX and inaccurate error messages made it look like a fake.
Alexandre Sartini7 I'm a bit confused with the authorization asked when linking my coinbase account. It can buy bitcoin on my behalf, overcome the 2-step check process to send 100 USD... So basically it can steal bitcoin from my account or did I get this wrong?
John Brett2 @asatwork I found this very confusing as well, didn't link as a result. Needed way too many permissions that weren't explained.
Balaji S. Srinivasan4 @asatwork Hi Alexandre, great feedback and we're going to remove that permission. It is a historical holdover from the <a href="https://21.co/learn/21-buybitcoin/">command line version</a> of the API, which allowed you to buy bitcoin for use in applications.
Alexandre Sartini2 @balajis thanks for your reply. Keep me posted when this is done.
Balaji S. Srinivasan3 @johnbrett_ @asatwork John, completely agreed. As noted in my comment above, we will remove those extraneous permissions; they are due to historical factors.
shlomir4 you need to register with your linkedin account for cashout to work (as they say). there goes anonymity.
Balaji S. Srinivasan5 @s_r_ We don't support anonymity, but we do support long-running, well-behaved pseudonyms. That is, we would verify Satoshi Nakamoto, StartupLJackson, or SwiftOnSecurity. In the absence of some form of verification, you get bots signing up to cash out the free bitcoin. In addition, anonymous accounts can only do the lowest skill tasks, as neither we nor anyone else can target them for higher skill tasks (as we know nothing about them).
JT "Tollie" Williams0 @balajis @s_r_ I'm looking for an alternative way to activate Cash Out. I'm not active on LinkedIn, and I'm below the connections minimum. I don't find LinkedIn worth the time or money, and I don't like their email spam tactics. I understand your need to prevent people from writing bots, but is LinkedIn really the best / only solution? I would happily connect a different network or send a handwritten postcard to say hello. Thank you for developing a service that has great potential. EDIT: Or perhaps, simply don't enable the free bitcoin-earning tasks until an identity is connected, but enable Cash Out. This way, for instance, I could sign up with both a personal and professional username, but only earn free bitcoin on one.
jonathan mendes3 Really cool addition! Getting bitcoin/money for completing the on-boarding was 👌 From a business & fraud PoV I also really like what you guys have done to verify users (via their social accounts). Was pleasantly surprised to see that I got 10 cents for every social profile I connect, yet those additions weren't added to my 'Log' I guess the question I have left is, other than sharing my profile to get people to send tasks/ask questions, how else can I earn that phat BTC?
Balaji S. Srinivasan2 @jonathanamendes Awesome! Glad you liked it. Sharing your profile to answer paid messages from people outside your network is the primary way to earn bitcoin right now, but we have more ways coming soon. See <a href="https://www.producthunt.com/posts/21-app#comment-426388">this comment</a> for more color.
Leon Hitchens1 Now how do I get an invite?
Balaji S. Srinivasan1 @leonhitchens You should be able to just sign up at 21.co. You don't need an invite code anymore (we had that during the beta period).
Chris Messina6 This is a pretty interesting product... Check out—here's my profile: http://21.co/chrismessina
Pietro Brugnera2 ask me anything about brazil, startups and more! https://21.co/pietropps/
Mike Moloney2 Cool concept! I wonder how many recruiters will actually use this though. :)
Balaji S. Srinivasan2 @moloneymike :) Just wait!
Mike Moloney2 @balajis That's what I like to hear. Good luck to you and your team!
Balaji S. Srinivasan76 21 allows you to replace your public email with an inbox that pays you. The idea is that you set up a 21 profile (like <a href="https://21.co/naval/">21.co/naval</a>) and people outside your network can now pay to contact you. You can keep the money or donate it to charity. It's like LinkedIn InMail, except you actually get paid :) And we use bitcoin under the hood, so it works in any country. You can sign up for a profile and answer messages on either web (at 21.co) or mobile (at ios.21.co). Note that "answering a message" is only the simplest task that the 21 webapp and app support. You can also complete surveys and do more complex things. You will see one of these surveys in the tutorial when you boot up the app; more are coming. But right now, the primary source of tasks will be paid messages to you from people outside your network. And the simplest way to solicit more such messages is to put your 21.co profile link on your homepage or Twitter bio, like <a href="https://twitter.com/Mohsin585">this</a> or <a href="http://blakemasters.com/about">this</a>.
Adithya Shreshti11 @balajis Everyone here would have complimented the idea behind the product and its implementation - no doubt 21.co is the first of its kind that helps you avoid the spam that is generated on day-to-day basis and at the same time that provides you 'quality' connects and potential network of wonderful people. Here is something no one else would have told you: The combination of Black and Gold looks awesome - especially on an iPhone. :-) Kudos to the 21.co team @balajis :-)
Nate Murray9 @balajis I miss having you on Twitter
Duane Wilson✌️4 @balajis Super! logged in via facebook, created username, verified email, had prompt to login again, did so, login window persists... am logged in and can click other tabs but that initial empty state is confusing IMHO. Looking forward to using this and adding other nonprofits 👏
[deleted user]3 Signed up. I'm curious to see how this plays out. Great idea @balajis!
Rick Chen3 Love the idea and it's huge potential, looking forward to seeing what other tasks are there besides surveys and outside network contacts.
Arun Sathiya2 @balajis great idea there, Balaji! Can reduce spam messages, I bet.
billy smartt1 @balajis This was one of the cleanest launches I've ever seen. Signed up on web, got the email verification notification on my phone, which linked to the ios app, everything worked seamlessly, and both products felt very mature. Logo and UX are very well done. I'm quite impressed!
Mattuy0 @balajis Do you have a blog for 21.co should add on here https://coinspectator.com/
Jaime Macias2 Is there a searchable directory of users?
Balaji S. Srinivasan2 @jmacias It's on the roadmap!
Product Pearson0 @balajis @jmacias Yay.
Andrea Sharfin2 I like that you can donate BTC to charity. Cool app!
[deleted user]2 Awesome. Keep it up 21.co and team!